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Post  coopsta on Wed May 01, 2013 12:03 am

Old stringtwang finally had enough of that motha fuckin belt drive bullshit and decided to man up and git me some gad damn sprockets and chain. And just so I couldn't change my mind I hacksawed that POS belt off the glide and began the installation this afternoon.
We are going with a 23/48 combination and a 530 oring chain. Got that all installed today and now just gotta work out the alignment. Everything seems pretty straight but being a crosseyed fucker and OCD about straight ain't helping me much lmao.
Got the chain running true over the rear sprocket but seems to be tracking a bit to the outside on the front sprocket. Adjusting the wheel and trying to get it straight and lining up chain will tie up about 6 hours of my day so I called it a night lol.......Do you guys give much concern over getting that chain to run perfectly true over the sprockets or just eyeball the chain and if it seems straight leave her be?
I will be so glad to get rid of that fucking belt assembly!!! Don't let anyone try and blow smoke up your ass about the virtues of belt drive final, they blow. Belts should be used to hold up your pants not turn your rear tire.
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Post  Dennman on Wed May 01, 2013 12:55 am

"Tracking to the outside" ???
Is the chain tight to the inside and running a gap to the outside of the tranny sprocket?

The following solution won't apply if that's the situation.The spacer would make it worse.

If the chain is tight to the inside of the rear sprocket and tight to the outside of the front sprocket ,there are thin spacers to go under the sprocket on the wheel.

I get my axle equidistant from the shock mounts on both sides of the swingarm and w/ that thin spacer (mine came w/ the scoot 31 yrs. ago) in place under the sprocket,the chain doesn't run absolutely even on both sprockets.As long as the chain isn't catching on the sprocket teeth,I run it.
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You nailed it den

Post  coopsta on Wed May 01, 2013 3:16 pm

Ya that is exactly right den, I have the axle pretty well equidistant from the shocks, the chain is running perfect on the rear sprocket but runs tighter to the inside and the gap is toward the outside of the tranny sprocket. I did purchase a .043" sprocket shim just in case I needed it and I think with the shim on it will push the sprocket out and make the chain run down on that sprocket perfect.
The chain seems to run straight as good as my eyes can tell anyway?

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Post  sunnydog on Wed May 01, 2013 3:44 pm

Stringtwang Voodoothang,
I run a high tech part on mine called a round swingarm, has those nice little adjuster bolts either side, and eyeball it for straight kneeling behind the bike.
Well you asked how we do it and I'm just tellin ya the truth!! Yeah I know I'm no help.
Good on ya for gettin rid of that secondary rubber.
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Post  zaac on Wed May 01, 2013 5:50 pm

I love Billy's bike but didn't like listening to that belt squealing. How come he's not on here, koot? Didn't you invite him? Smile
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Post  kootenai on Wed May 01, 2013 9:57 pm

zaac wrote:I love Billy's bike but didn't like listening to that belt squealing. How come he's not on here, koot? Didn't you invite him? Smile
I got him on jacks site,,,a longtime back,, i think he posted once,i remember when he joined i typed his intro for him,,,,he doesn't go on computers whatsso ever,,,he,s just not in to em,,,,,,,,,,so I didn't bother...
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Post  Dennman on Thu May 02, 2013 12:19 pm

coopsta wrote:Ya that is exactly right den, I have the axle pretty well equidistant from the shocks, the chain is running perfect on the rear sprocket but runs tighter to the inside and the gap is toward the outside of the tranny sprocket. I did purchase a .043" sprocket shim just in case I needed it and I think with the shim on it will push the sprocket out and make the chain run down on that sprocket perfect.
The chain seems to run straight as good as my eyes can tell anyway?

Carlos,the way it sounds if you space out the rear sprocket ,the chain will run tighter to the inside of the tranny sprocket.The tranny sprocket would have to be spaced outward or the rear wheel (if there's no sprocket spacer there now) respaced to the right.(looking from the rear)

Is the rear sprocket "dished"? Could be a "flat" sprocket might center the chain.
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got it fingered

Post  coopsta on Fri May 03, 2013 1:50 am

Well I been having to do some head scratching but I was gonna finger out why I always have these stupid alignment troubles. I usually just measured the axle adjusters to verify they where equal out the end of the swing arm. Tonight I tore the rim and everything off then did some careful measuring and found that the shock mounts on my swing arm are 1/8" difference in length to the end of the swing arm so the left one is 1/8" longer than the right. To verify that I put the axle back thru the adjusters and ran string over the front of the swingarm and around axle and marked the string and sure as shit the right one needed to come back a good 1/8". So after making the adjustment and verifying axle was then parallel to the swingarm I made a homemade tool out of coat hanger bent at 90 degrees at one end and put the hanger in the middle of the swingarm bolt and marked the other end at mid point of axle and checked side to side and it was equal finally. Now that the axle was square with the world I reinstalled the tire and chain, and it runs over the sprockets nicely. The axle adjusters are about 3/16" difference sticking out the end of the swing arm from side to side.
To answer Den's question yes it is a dished rear sprocket but now no shims required.
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Post  sunnydog on Fri May 03, 2013 7:25 am

Sounds good Stringtwang, excellent description and toolmakin....you can also use that coat hanger as a key to enter your pickup truck. Now how about some dadblame pics, my brain is sore from sittin in the dark having to imagine all the time. What a Face
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Post  Dennman on Fri May 03, 2013 11:28 am

Well golleeee! I had forgot about that tool in the back of my Shovel tool drawer.
I know my shock mounts are equidistant. I did the coathanger tool and measured mine a few years back.Once I had the axle parallel to the swingarm pivot ,I found the mounts to be an easier point to measure from than the pivot bolt.
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ok ok

Post  coopsta on Fri May 03, 2013 1:37 pm

I know I have been very lax on the photo porn, so I will git me some this afternoon and post. I am the worst for blabbing and no porn!!!
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Ok a bit of porn.

Post  coopsta on Fri May 03, 2013 7:37 pm

Here she is boys. She is sometimes a bitch but she can be a dirty whore too so I got what all dirty whores like......."jewelry" lmao!!!!

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Post  zaac on Fri May 03, 2013 8:42 pm

Looks very nice, coop. Did you put the master link clip on the right way?...lol.
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Post  kootenai on Fri May 03, 2013 9:53 pm

looks good chainchang stringtwang,long forkinthang.............
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Oh I like it already

Post  coopsta on Fri May 03, 2013 11:01 pm

Well that porn wasn't much I will upload some better shots. The big bonus with the addition of that chain is I get my wheel all the way to the front of the swingarm holes and I am now able to let off my progressives to the bottom notch. With my belt set up I was all the way to the back of the swingarm and the tire would hit the lisence bracket so I had to have the shocks pretty much like solid struts to keep the tire from rubbing. So now she sits low again I am loving it.
Now gotta get them forks longer!!!!!
I also solved my starting dilemma, got a new solenoid and starter drive gear installed and she now rotates right up like it should. And look its not even the middle of May and I am going for a test ride lol
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Post  sunnydog on Fri May 03, 2013 11:15 pm

Awesome 'Twang, I likes the porn....and bikes too.
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Uh oh what the fuck over?

Post  coopsta on Sat May 04, 2013 3:22 pm

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Took the bitch for a shake down run this morning and she was feeling great. Was running on fumes so head back for town and less than a mile from home I start hearing clatter like pushrods are loose so like a clatter. So I am listening and look down the right side of motor and there is oil spraying all over holy fuck batman so I kill the motor and glide as far as I can. Got to push the bitch last 1/4 mile. The walk of shame, dirty cunt!!

Get to the speed shop and start looking for source of oil and the rear lifter block is sitting proud at least 1/8" off block. Unscrewed lifter bolt by hand and its threads are stripped.

Justifying it cool off to asses what the fuck went wrong there. ???
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Post  zaac on Sat May 04, 2013 4:05 pm

Don't be blaming that on your solids...lol.
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Can't understand

Post  coopsta on Sat May 04, 2013 4:07 pm

Why that would happen unless the lifter seized in the block? It makes no sense at all...fucking solid lifters
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Post  zaac on Sat May 04, 2013 4:27 pm

coopsta wrote:Why that would happen unless the lifter seized in the block? It makes no sense at all...fucking solid lifters

Lol... solids need synthetic, didn't you know that? Who sized those blocks for you? Bennie

Maybe shoulda got cc instead.
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Post  Big Dave on Sat May 04, 2013 4:30 pm

zaac wrote:
coopsta wrote:Why that would happen unless the lifter seized in the block? It makes no sense at all...fucking solid lifters

Lol... solids need synthetic, didn't you know that? Who sized those blocks for you? Bennie

Maybe shoulda got cc instead.

Ouch

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Well i don't get that

Post  coopsta on Sat May 04, 2013 4:32 pm

If the lifter was going to seize in the bore you would think that would have happened before I had at least 3000 miles on the lifters? Only thing that makes sense on how that could have happened?
See my shovel doesn't appreciate new stuff apparently.....treat her to new jewelry and she blows a gasket and roaches a lifter block......must be still sore about that evo parked in the garage last spring......wow let it go ya dirty whore let it go!!!

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oh fuck me jesus!!

Post  coopsta on Sat May 04, 2013 4:36 pm

My world was pretty fuckin at one for almost 10 minutes until this shit happened, the wife even said wow did you ever look relaxed and in a zone when you took off on the shovel......then I came back in stealth mode....pushing and not at all in my happy place.....all I can say if FUUUUUUUUUCK FUUUUUCK FUCKKKKK double FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!
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Post  zaac on Sat May 04, 2013 4:48 pm

When I 1st starting reading your story I thought you were gonna say that damn tranny starting leaking. So a lifter block was a relief. Weird after all them miles.
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Post  Shakerattlenroll on Sat May 04, 2013 5:27 pm

Soooo...now what ?
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Post  sunnydog on Sat May 04, 2013 5:41 pm

Twang, ya think maybe a follower pin started comin out and burred into the body of your lifter block?
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Could be

Post  coopsta on Sat May 04, 2013 8:11 pm

I don't know any other logical thing that could seize the lifter. Soon as the leafs are done kicking Boston's sorry ass we are gonna do some exploratory operations. Just hoping my lifter thread holes aren't pooched.
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Post  Dennman on Sat May 04, 2013 8:51 pm

If there's one stripped hole then there's bound to be more for the block to lift off the case.Roller pin/bearing is my blind guess too.

At least is not a strip down and pull the motor out.

Worst case scenario you'll have to open the cam chest to retap a hole or two or??
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Post  kootenai on Sun May 05, 2013 12:55 am

fuck amigo! hope its nuthin major
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Well more confused now

Post  coopsta on Sun May 05, 2013 11:11 am

Once she cooled off I pulled the pushrods and blocks and I cannot find anything wrong? Lifters are not seized, pushrods have no sign of damage, cam has no scaring.......That got me worried so I pulled the spark plugs and they are dry and clean.......Only thing I can think of is my oil pressure was high cause the oil wasn't up to temp and the excess pressure hydrauliced the block off because I didn't plug the oiling holes? It sounds cooky but that is the only explanation I can come up with. The gasket for the lifter block was literally shredded on the side that popped up. There was little peices of gasket material all over the nose cone slathered in oil.
Even the holes for the lifter block screws do not seem stripped. The bolts are pretty much the same in front and back sets of holes.
Maybe it was the whores way of telling me she doesn't like solid lifters?
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Post  Big Dave on Sun May 05, 2013 11:28 am

You shouldnt have to plug the holes , and it shoudnt change the oil pressure in the cone . your still missing something i just dont no what , are the mateing surfaces true ? are the solid rollers the same diameter as your hydros were , ie evo lifter are slightly taller because of a larger dia roller

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Post  coopsta on Sun May 05, 2013 11:40 am

Well I was doing some reading over at the shovel.us site and this seems to be more common than I thought. Have found several stories that this same thing happened. They couldn't find any issues and put everything back together and no problems......maybe I just got lucky and need to start using the Blue Locktite a little more liberally. There wasnt any on the screws so I am dumb.

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Post  Dennman on Sun May 05, 2013 3:50 pm

Sounds like a weak armed musicians wrenchin to me.Not enough ooomph tightenin it down.
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Post  sunnydog on Sun May 05, 2013 4:22 pm

Oooooooohhhhh buuuurrrnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey wait a minute?

Post  coopsta on Sun May 05, 2013 11:03 pm

I thought that was pretty funny......then I realized the gentlemanly shovel rider from the island may be given me the beats!!! What you talking bout Willis?

They are only supposed to be tighted to 110 inch pounds, even a limp wristed guitar player should be able to tighten them to say 8-9 ft lbs lol

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Well here is the latest scoop

Post  coopsta on Sun May 05, 2013 11:16 pm

today I ripped into the cam chest to have a good look and make me feel warm and fuzzy. Cam looks fine, pulled pinion and oil pump gear just to verify the keys didn't get sheared and they were fine. Cam was still orientated to its marks, cleaned all the shiny parts and re-installed them, new gasket and buttoned up the cover. Checked endplay and its all good. Installed the velva touch lifters I got last year, cause well I aint doin solids no mo no mo Evil or Very Mad.
Made sure to toss some assembly lube on the cam lobes and dumped a quart o' 20-50 in there just cause they say you should.....who the fuck are they anyway? Oh ya the ones that know better thats who!!!
So in the morning gonna stick some pushrods on and see if the valves go up and down lol....that would be sweet......then install the iggy and time the whore. Then once she is hopefully running I got a date with a hotsy and a bucket of degreaser cause the shovel is well lubricated inside and outside...she ain't gonna ever rust after going thru the external hot lube yesterday.
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Post  zaac on Sun May 05, 2013 11:32 pm

I bet she runs great for the rest of the summer. Now you can get back to guitar playin before you forget everything you learned. Oh I checked my lifter blocks just in case. I'm good to go.
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Post  sunnydog on Mon May 06, 2013 7:47 am

Bikes and guitar playin....no fun at all... sunny
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ok so here's the update to the shovel

Post  coopsta on Tue May 07, 2013 2:11 pm

Got her all buttoned up this morning gave her some new oil and filter. Installed a dyna 2000 to see how that would work ass well. Gave her some hand priming with the kicker and plugs out to get some oil into the lifters.
She was on the lift so I hit the button and she fired right up. A bit of ticking to start as she needed oil up top and once I got oil returns that all seemed to rectify itself. I let it idle for a bit and she seems to be running a bit better than with the old oem iggy I had in there. Revs up quick and seems responsive. We will see about that once I take the shake down run. Smile
First thing I gots to do is head for the shop and get some degreaser and power wash the shit out of the whore cause she is nasty right now.....
I think I may call her Nancy, I had a girlfriend once named Nancy, she was alot like this bike. Treat em good and get no satisfaction....wink, wink!!! Should have went with her sister....she liked to have fun Rolling Eyes

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